107 - Creative Journeys: From Tech to Publishing with Kim Wells Eley

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Writing a book can be the foundation for sharing your important message, but it won't work unless

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you are consistently marketing. This podcast is for those who have written a book to share

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: their message with the world. I love talking all things authorpreneur and having guests

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: join me to share their brilliance with you. Hello, authorpreneurs! It's Suzanne Tregenza

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Moore and I am so excited to bring Kim Wells Eley to you today. She and I met through a

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: fabulous publishing connection group and I'm psyched to tell you all about her business

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and first I'm going to share that Kim is a speaker, author and publisher, a cat lover

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and horror movie fan and she gets all of her news from comedy shows. So this should be a good

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: conversation. Welcome Kim! Thank you so much Suzanne, super excited to be here. I particularly

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like that you get all your news from comedy shows. That is the way to go. That is the way to go.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Only way to say sane here in 2024. Indeed, yes. So Kim, I want to dig in, get to know you a little

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: bit and share, have the audience get to know you a little bit. Tell us how you are both an

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: author and a publisher. Talk about that. Oh absolutely! So definitely the author came

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: first. So what happened was I always like to tell people that I was an English major so

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: of course I went into IT after I graduated because totally normal English major. Yeah absolutely.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was great because people in IT hate to write so job security had the study paycheck,

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: had all that stuff going on and then one day we had layoffs and I didn't get laid off but my team

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: did and I was like oh snap me being me I'm like I always look for a good book to help me get

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: through whatever I'm going through and I couldn't find that book. I looked and I just didn't see

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the right book and then all of a sudden I was like well Kim you're an English major you could

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: probably write that book so I did. So I wrote a book and published it myself in 2016

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: all about people who do what they love for a living and after I did that Suzanne people

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: were like hey Kim how'd you how'd you publish your book but I was still in my IT brain right

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: so I was like oh it's just these 50 easy steps and their eyes would glaze over and they were like

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and finally one very kind woman went time out I don't want to do all that Kim but I would pay you

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: to do that so that's how I went from author to publisher. Yeah you know what I love that you

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: said 50 easy steps it's like every single platform you know software as a service right thing on

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the internet talks about how easy it is to like build your website send your email list do this do

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that integrate everything right and anyone who is not technical is like what are you talking about

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: this is not easy and you're like oh it's just 50 easy steps no problem. It was easy and I love it

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it and so you started helping with the 50 easy steps. Exactly exactly yes. So I was like well

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: you know there's so many writers who want to become authors but I think a lot of us feel like

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: there's barriers in front of us the barrier could be I want to traditionally publish so my barrier

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is finding a literary agent landing a publishing house or it's I want to do self-publishing but again

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the 50 not so easy steps right yeah yeah and just the wildly huge and I'm grateful that there's

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: so much information available for writers but sometimes it's like drinking out of a fire hose

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: so I like being able to you know make it more drinkable is that a right thing to say yeah I

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah well the information for anything someone wants to do today is out there and available

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the value that coaches that a publisher that someone really provides is disseminating what

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the good information is and the bad information and streamlining it for the person who needs it

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: because you know what I don't have time to watch 222 hours of videos in order to

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: act on any one thing right yeah so you are doing that for people congratulations

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: thank you so much and I find it really fun which you know I often say you know if it

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't fun why do it so that the fact that I can put both my left brain and my right brain to work

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and make life an easier path for writers oh it's just fabulous fabulous yes you know it's interesting

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: when you said earlier that you you know we're an English major so obviously you went into it I

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: have met more people as a business coach like who are now in a much more creative field

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: who went to school for and ended up being like a CPA or like something so

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: very very left brain numerically oriented and yet they have they're like passionate about words

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: or passionate about art or passionate about vision you know visual stuff and I'm like what are

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: people doing like why are you ending up in these careers that are so obviously wrong for you

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: right it's like you steered you I think a lot of us I don't know I can only speak for me but

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Suzanne I don't know if you went through this but my parents were like get a good paying job and a

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: lot of times I think sometimes sadly people who are creative get steered away from the creative

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: things because it's like it's not a you know quote unquote surefire moneymaker but you know

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: darn well if somebody's an expert in their field of business and they create a book you know they're

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna they're gonna succeed it it's just it may not be the traditional path yes right yes love it

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: okay so you started publishing other people's books and you wrote your first book back in 2016

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: tell me how uh how everything has evolved at first it was just a little part-time gig right like oh I

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: can help her do her book right and she'll pay me for it when did that shift because you're now

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: full time doing this right yeah give us a little bit more of the story oh yeah glad to so um

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that first client I took on it was totally a side hustle I was still working full time

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and um what happened was after I helped her with her book she started telling other people about it

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: so I did start taking on a client at a time and uh I guess it was probably gosh that was in 2016

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and then fast forward to November 2017 was when I had worked with enough clients that I really

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: felt like I had my um I kind of knew what I was doing and I also felt like I had enough income

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: coming in that I could take that big leap and so it was it was probably about golly it might have

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: been even about 12 months before I actually took the leap from side hustle to full-time hustle

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah awesome and what's it been like for you been amazing so at first I'll kind of share

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit about the evolution at first when I got started I was like I can publish any book

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: any book you have anything under the sun I will publish it for you before I realized

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: it would be really smart to kind of niche down you know both for my sanity

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: because fiction and nonfiction very different in the way that they're approached

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and then I also got I realized for clients you know if if you say I do everything

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you know people don't know who to recommend to you so I started saying well I specialize

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: in now two genres I do um I call it personal development but really it's working with heart-centered

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: entrepreneurs or business people so it's a lot of coaches and consultants but I've also worked

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: with an orthopedic surgeon who created a book about longevity I worked with an amazing woman

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: who's very passionate about the early history of the eastern shore of Virginia and she's

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: done a couple of intensive books so but the central theme is everybody's really passionate

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: about their books they're generally nonfiction and they support their business or a cause that

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: they're super excited about and then I found how much I love doing children's books and so

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the other genre we do it's mostly children's books about health related issues like autism

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: juvenile diabetes late onset hearing loss things like that interesting so those are

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: similar in that they're important messages that are people that people are trying to communicate

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but they're different in that obviously the the first you know the heart-centered entrepreneurs

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: those books are they're all words right what is it like to do all the work behind the

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: children's books and do you help your authors find good illustrators do most of them come

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to you with an illustrator already or they are the illustrator and the writer how does that

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: what is your experience with that excellent questions so the first part is it's kind of fun

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: to have one genre that we concentrate on that's mostly text because then my team and I are

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: mostly using our I'm going to call it editing brains you know that's what we're working on is

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: is really crafting that with children's books obviously they're shorter we still do you know

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: get really focused on what is the intention and so forth but with children's books it's fun I almost

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: feel like I'm like a producer versus a publisher because I am exactly what you're saying authors

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: will come and they're like I've written this story I need an illustrator so a lot of times we'll do

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: an audition sketches for illustrators and find just the right person yes after we've got that

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: person on board and we introduce our designer so we've got the author we've got the illustrator

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: we've got the designer and me that's where I kind of have my I'm going to call it producer but really

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: is a project management hat and we're like okay so we want to publish in November so working

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: backwards we need to have these sketches done by this time and this done by this time so a lot

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: of it is putting it all together in order to publish and also a lot of guidance for the

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: writers because a lot of them are first time and they've not done this before sure but I

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: really love bringing the team together and just identifying those milestones and checking those

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: puppies off yeah love that it's great that you source illustrators for clients because I've known

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: a few people who've done children's books and that was their biggest challenge because if

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you're not an artist finding someone that who's capable of communicating the expression

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and frankly in a way that you find visually appealing right because when we think of an

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: illustrator you know it's like oh well I need illustrations but then it's like oh my gosh

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: there are so many different artistic styles and everything and you know what one person loves

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: another person might hate and as an author if you've kind of come up with you have a

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: concept in your mind matching that with an illustrator is not a simple process

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you are so right and you really I love that you said Suzanne that you mentioned communication

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: because that is the crucial component that I think a lot of people don't realize that you need for

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: illustrators it starts with the communication of what style do I really like like before you

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: can even select the illustrator a lot of times what we'll do is we'll work with clients and

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll look at a couple of different sites one is scbwi which is society of children's book writers

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and illustrators I love them I lovingly refer to their illustrator gallery as a catalog

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's so helpful because once the writer and I look together I'll be like okay what styles

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: do you like you know pick out several people whose style you like and then you can identify

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: whether you like a watercolor or if you prefer a more cartoonish style yes yeah a lot of us who are

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: non artists don't have the words for that we're like I like that but it's like identifying it is hard

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it is it's very as and especially if you are dealing with someone who is not not artistic in

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that way because I mean I don't when I look at art I don't think for the first thing I think

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: of is not is that a watercolor is it this is it that right like I don't I don't I just think it's pretty

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah got it yeah so identifying the the style or type of art that the the author likes is

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: the first part of communication because then once you've narrowed that in then you can start

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: reaching out to artists and a lot of times we will select maybe three or four and say hey can

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you do an audition sketch and I like to say communication also because if I were to say

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I want a purple poodle you probably have a visual in your head of a purple poodle I have a visual

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: in my head your listeners probably all have you know an idea of what a purple poodle is

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: probably all our ideas look completely different right that's right there's so many different

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: ways you can go with a purple poodle or whatever you're doing so it really helps to

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: after you've selected the style of art to then find out how well you can communicate with the

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: artist because if you have a communication lapse I had that happen unfortunately because you always

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: learn the hard way right yes you do yeah the very first children's book I worked on we had a

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: dickens of a time trying to communicate with the artist and bless her heart she was trying to do

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: what we were trying to ask her to do and we ended up having to really go back and forth a lot

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: it paid off in the end because the book is beautiful but you realize if you have somebody who can't

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: communicate or not can't communicate but if you're having a lot of difficulties you probably

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: should choose a different artist because it's really not going to come out how you want it

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah interesting so there are a few questions I ask everyone who comes on

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the first is and I know you said that you wrote your first book back in was it 2016 2014 yeah

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: do you have upcoming books or an upcoming book that you are writing for yourself or

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously you're not writing it for yourself but that you are writing to share with others

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: oh absolutely good question so actually I wrote the book that I wanted to share with others

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: last year because I kept telling my awesome author clients especially the ones who are the

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: the heart-centered entrepreneurs I'm like write a book that's about what you do and that way

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: it can be like your business card on steroids it can really introduce who you are and then I

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: realized I'm like Kim you should really take your own advice and write a book that's about writing so

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I did so I wrote and published a book last year and it's called From Mess to Message 10 Steps for

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Writing Your Book excellent and that's my baby I'm really proud of it not that I'm not proud

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: of the first book but the first book is like I made all the mistakes like I don't like the

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: cover on the first book anymore I want to update it and yeah I'm telling you this with

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: with my hands around my mouth like I'm telling you a secret but I'm talking on a podcast so it's

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: really not that secret but it's not a secret anymore no not a secret anymore that I'm gonna

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: update that book cover eventually but yeah I'm pretty darn proud of From Mess to Message because

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I took a series of articles that I had written that really takes you from literally idea all

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the way through to published book so I'm pretty darn proud of it excellent and and do you

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: think you'll write another one? Definitely I'd love to write one about how to create a children's

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: book like kind of set by step yeah that makes sense makes perfect sense love it you have been an

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: entrepreneur now for a while yes what is one thing you think every entrepreneur needs to do or

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: have in order to be successful oh wow that's great to be successful you have to embrace like with

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: both arms and your whole body failure and I say that because things are going to go wrong it's

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: inevitable there's going to be times if you are a true entrepreneur if you are truly evolving

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and developing you're going to be trying out new things and that means you're going to fail along

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the way but the flip side of that is and I love this I got this from a gentleman named Steve Sims

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: he wrote a book called Blue Fishing I highly recommend it but he says failure is just research

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: oh okay I tried doing this this way and it didn't work research don't do it that way find a

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: different way yeah when you start embracing failure as research I'm not going to ruminate on that move on

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: move on you know go to the next thing figure out the next way I think um too also having people

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: around you who will tell it like it is I love my team because they'll be like that's really

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: not working Kim you know or right yeah and being receptive to advice when somebody

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: gently guides you and says you know I don't think that's a good idea be humble enough because a lot

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: of times as entrepreneurs we have to have some confidence and some ego right it's like I'm going

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to start those builders and yes you need that but you also need to be able to be like oh snap yeah

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you're so right this isn't working yes you know what I love that you point out that juxtaposition

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that we need to have that confidence to kind of keep barreling forward all the time

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and at the same time we have to be able to receive guidance yes yeah that's where I think a lot of

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: times people go off the rails is there yes you have that ego and that confidence and you have

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: to have a little bit of that voice that's like you tell me no I'm going to do it anyway but

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah but then if everybody's like no like yeah you're going off the cliff don't do it

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you know okay I will listen right I think the trick there is that the people you're receiving the advice

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: from you have to know that they are truly trusted sources yes and that that they have experience in

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever it is they're guiding you on because unfortunately there are a lot of people that

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: will give you a lot of opinions along the way when they don't actually know what they're

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about so I think it's that trusted trusted source that we need to watch out for

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you are so right yes you need to have the the trusted yeah that that's a huge component of it is

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: is to be able to know who you can trust and then have the the confidence in them as well to tell

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: tell it like it is yeah yeah awesome last question I ask everyone who comes on yeah what is your

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: favorite book oh oh that's hard that's a hard one Suzanne it's the one I stump people with regularly

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I can tell so I'm gonna cheat and say I have many favorites but if I had to say I'm gonna go with

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: an entrepreneurial answer because this is the book that I absolutely have like purchased for other

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: people given to friends over and over and over again and it is called finding your north star

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: by a wonderful woman Martha Beck she is a oh my gosh I think she's freaking brilliant I actually

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_00]: took her life coaching training it's now called Wayfinder she was such a huge help to me when I

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: was trying to figure out what I wanted to do and to me it was so life changing some of the

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: advice that she gives is is there's something that you love to do do more of that lean into it

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah talking before about the creatives who go into something that's completely different

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: because I think they're getting the advice like say take the safe road right yeah yeah yeah I mean

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: don't I never like the advice leap and the net will catch you because to a certain degree well

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: why don't you make sure the net's there yeah right yeah don't just leap off a cliff but at the same

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: time too that doesn't mean you can't take the road less traveled there's something we're all put on

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: this earth with a story we're all put on this earth with something that we were called to do

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think to ignore that voice is to deny who we authentically are is a recipe for disaster

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe it's something that you don't do for a living but you do as a hobby maybe you're fortunate

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: enough like me and Suzanne to be able to do what you do you know and you love it but whatever it is

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_00]: do that outlet because we're all called to do something I absolutely love the show CBS Sunday

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: mornings oh yeah love Sunday morning yep good watched it and there was a gentleman who makes

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: weather veins what a niche thing this gentleman started he was commissioned to do a little shark

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: weather vein for the movie jaws oh drew from there in the 70s to well he worked with another

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: gentleman and now he's like making six figures for an individual weather vein each one like amazing

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and they're freaking beautiful I'm sure along the way there was probably an uncle or

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: cousin who was like weather veins there's no money in weather veins you can go to the store and buy

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: this absolutely I'm sure you are right about that I'm sure you were right about that that's

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: awesome I have not seen the weather vein one but I clearly need to get back to Sunday morning

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: oh so inspiring so excellent excellent I know that you have a gift to share with our listeners

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and of course we will make sure that the link to it is in the show notes could you share what that is

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and how they could find it absolutely so I absolutely love love love helping writers and a

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: lot of times I'll get asked questions like well I've written this manuscript how do I know if

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to publish so we have an amazing guide that kind of asks important questions and it's

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: called how do you know if you're ready to publish your book excellent love it and again we will have

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the link to that in our show notes Kim thank you so much for being with me today this was super fun

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm so excited to share it with all our listeners oh thank you Suzanne delightful

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and for all of you listening thank you so much for being with us it is always a delight to

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